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was by ronald reagan and democratic speaker tip o'neill, but it is the basic structure is sound. but i want to talk about the values behind social security and medicare and then talk about medicare because that's the big driver of our deficits right now. you know, my grandmother, some of you know, helped raise me. my grandparents day. my grandfather died a while back. my grandmother died three days before i was elected a president. she worked her way up, only a high school education, started as the secretary, ended up being the vice president of a local bank. she ended up living alone by choice. and the reason she could be independent was because of social security and medicare. she had worked all her life, but in this money and understood that there was a basic guarantee him a floor under which she could not go. and that is the perspective i bring with entitlements. the name itself implies some sort of dependency and the part of these folks. these are folks who've worked hard, like my grandmother, and millions of people out there are counting on this. so my approach is to say, how do we st
giraldi who used to work, i think, for ronald reagan, but i just want to tell you -- ask you is there a way, are you doing anything to get into the debate cycle with obama and romney? >> host: we had a similar question, governor johnson, via twitter. what do you say? >> guest: well, right now i'm excluded from the first debate. the commission that determines who gets in the debates is the presidential debate commission, and guess what? the presidential debate commission is private, and they're made up of republicans and democrats with absolutely no interest whatsoever in seeing a third voice on stage. we have filed three lawsuits to get me on stage based on other third-party candidates who have filed lawsuits. there doesn't seem to be, there doesn't seem to be much hope, but we filed on anti-trust grounds, something that has not been done before. >> host: how much do these debates matter, gary johnson, and what are you looking forward to hearing on wednesday? >> guest: well, the debates are tantamount to my having a chance at winning. without being on the debates, i think tha
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